Comments on: Identity Snatchers http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/06/identity-snatchers/ for friends of University Bible Fellowship Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:34:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/06/identity-snatchers/#comment-19687 Wed, 07 Oct 2015 16:29:46 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9517#comment-19687 To help all the homosectuals practicing homosects, I am extending my FREE Kindle promotion until end of day on Friday:

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/06/identity-snatchers/#comment-19672 Tue, 06 Oct 2015 13:29:58 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9517#comment-19672 Hey everyone, my NEW book is FREE today on Kindle!

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/06/identity-snatchers/#comment-19546 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:30:50 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9517#comment-19546 “UBF people and I (Brian) agree on one thing: UBF Bible teachers want to break your identity.” – See more at: http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/06/identity-snatchers/#comment-19541

Being broken is not necessarily bad. When I’m broken by God my heart is tender, my being is healed and my spirit is joyful.

The PROBLEM is when some ubf leaders truly think that THEY are the special chosen ones to break people who are in ubf, even after 5, 10, 20, 40 years!

Then they take this thought further. They interpret that anyone who resists them or objects to them in any way is basically evil, bitter, proud, rebellious, worldly, demonic, stiff-necked, not missional, etc.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/06/identity-snatchers/#comment-19541 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 10:25:31 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9517#comment-19541 Oh and I added this gem to my collection:

They want to break you

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/06/identity-snatchers/#comment-19540 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 10:23:58 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9517#comment-19540 So then, we can all see that UBF people and I agree on one thing:

–UBF Bible teachers want to break your identity.

I say this is harmful, UBFers say this is God’s good will. You decide.

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By: MattC http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/06/identity-snatchers/#comment-19531 Thu, 24 Sep 2015 20:04:56 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9517#comment-19531 Yet they do not want to swallow the bitter pill that God loves mercy, not sacrifice! That the best thing is to sit and listen, not to work your tail off and bully others.

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By: MattC http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/06/identity-snatchers/#comment-19530 Thu, 24 Sep 2015 20:02:48 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9517#comment-19530 This is disgusting! There is truth but in light of so many failures, sometimes you have to just zip it . . .

BEE DOH BEE DOH BEE DOH

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/06/identity-snatchers/#comment-19525 Thu, 24 Sep 2015 14:44:24 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9517#comment-19525 This is exactly what I hoped/predicted would happen, and I am very happy to see these developments. UBFism is flawed and harmful, and now everyone can begin to see it.

“In contrast to most Christian discipleship methods, the UBF program tends to turn people into puppets. A chapter director or shepherd just needs to pull the right strings and the new recruit dances in obedient perfection. The new identity UBF leaders want to create is one of unquestioning obedience. This is done in a clever, subtle way. They make you think you made your own decision but in reality you choose what your leader wants.”

Identity Snatchers: Exposing a Korean Campus Bible Cult, pg.78

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/06/identity-snatchers/#comment-19524 Thu, 24 Sep 2015 14:42:18 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9517#comment-19524 THANK YOU for pointing this out Joe. I am really so excited to read these new Daily Bread articles because the points I make in my book are being proven real-time, with actual public documentation. I took a screenshot of today’s db and will use it in a special way on my website.

The fact that these false teachings are being publicly exposed is a very good trend.

The goal of UBFism is to break down your personal identity. As such, UBFism has confused the organizational identity of the group as well:

“After more than 50 years of existence, a valid question still haunts UBF. Is UBF a church or para-church or what? On some UBF websites and building signs, you will find UBF referring to itself as a church. Many in the group however avoid making such a clear commitment to being a church, even though they celebrate their own Sunday services and collect offerings. Sometimes UBF is called a para-church organization. UBF was comfortable with that term in the early days, but now they typically avoid that term as well. So what is UBF? Is it a church? Is it a para-church? Such lack of organizational identity causes much confusion in the local campus chapters.”

Identity Snatchers: Exposing a Korean Campus Bible Cult, pg.23

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/06/identity-snatchers/#comment-19523 Thu, 24 Sep 2015 14:34:06 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9517#comment-19523 The packaging/writing style is different, but the ideology is basically the same.

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/06/identity-snatchers/#comment-19522 Thu, 24 Sep 2015 14:29:33 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9517#comment-19522 “…his identity as a law-abiding, religious Jew, though strongly held and deeply sincere, must be broken down…” – See more at: http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/06/identity-snatchers/#comment-19520

Statements like this perhaps indicate that ubf theology and “Bible study” has not delved into and embraced the interaction, connection and relationship between the Law and the Gospel.

That’s perhaps why this picture you once shared with me simply hits the nail on the head: http://redemption-church.org.uk.gridhosted.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Grace-Joker.jpg

That notwithstanding, I am actually somewhat impressed that the DB (titles, write up) does seem a little fresh and not look or sound like the “same ole, same ole” stuff that I’ve read for over two decades.

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/06/identity-snatchers/#comment-19520 Thu, 24 Sep 2015 14:12:45 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9517#comment-19520 Brian, you might find this interesting. Today’s DB page literaly says that a young man’s identity must be broken down before he can become a child of God and have a genuine relationship with God.

Did anyone ever tell this person that Jesus was a law abiding religious Jew? And Paul was a law abiding religious Jew? And that both of them lived within their cultural contexts? Isn’t the gospel of the Incarnation all about God meeting us where we are, in our present human contexts?

Dear DB author: I have some “hard words” for you that I hope you are humble enough to hear: Your ubf-shaped theology is cultish and at odds with biblical and historic Christianity.

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ACCEPT JESUS’ HARD WORDS

Matthew 19:16-30

Key verse:
Matthew 19:21

September 24, 2015

First, do you love Him (16-22). Jesus’ words sometimes seem hard: “Do you love Me more than these?” (Jn 21:15) We were created to love Him above all else. Only in this way can we be truly fulfilled. Jesus is drawing this young man to Himself by creating a conflict in his heart that will eventually turn into a “pearl of great price” – faith. his identity as a law-abiding, religious Jew, though strongly held and deeply sincere, must be broken down so this young man can become like a child and experience a genuine relationship with God.

Second, all things are possible with God (23-30). God said to Job “look at every proud man and humble him … then I myself will admit … your own right hand can save you.” (Job 40:12,14) It is impossible for man to humble himself, or others. Only God is able to humble the proud. Though we be ever so sincere, still our proud hearts must be humbled to realize our true state as sinners before God, totally dependent on his mercy. Only then can we experience God’s wonderful, amazing grace of salvation. Great peace will come of it – the “peaceable fruit of righteousness” (Heb 12:11).

Prayer:
Lord, grant me the grace to hear ‘hard’ words from you, that I may learn complete humility and total dependence based on a love for you far greater than my love for anything or anyone else.

One word:
Swallow the bitter pill – hear God’s ‘hard’ words – and be saved.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/06/identity-snatchers/#comment-19472 Sun, 20 Sep 2015 13:18:29 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9517#comment-19472 Apparently ubf is creating “membership rules” and “membership classes”.

Here is one of the membership applications

They should give out a copy of my book to go along with that class…

Here is my suggested membership class agenda:

– How to get an arranged marriage!
– How to submit your every life decision to your personal shepherd!
– How to speak Konglish!
– How to obey like a dead dog!
– How to think like a Buddhist!

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/06/identity-snatchers/#comment-19471 Sun, 20 Sep 2015 11:59:15 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9517#comment-19471 Thanks, Brian! Patiently waiting.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/06/identity-snatchers/#comment-19470 Sun, 20 Sep 2015 11:25:53 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9517#comment-19470 Hey everyone, I have 2 free paperback copies left. If anyone wants one, contact me with your address and then write a blog review of the book. In addition, I am sending a free copy to Ben and Dr. Hassan.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/06/identity-snatchers/#comment-19469 Sun, 20 Sep 2015 11:24:20 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9517#comment-19469 Thanks. As this former leader found out, it is extremely difficult to write a book about ubf even when you can see the flaws so clearly:

“I had been in Heidelberg UBF 18 years and two years in Giessen (to pioneer). I tried to write a book about problems of UBF, but I realized myself too indoctrined in a long term. I could not see the problems clearly. Now I have been studying theology since four years, I can more and more understand the differences between the biblical messages and UBF teaching. They distorted all important biblical keywords: grace, love, faith, mission obedience… This is a main reason why the Korean Ex-UBF members can not be integrated in the local church. They must be cured intensively and professionally. This is also a reason why they can not do anything after they quit the UBF. They do not understand the problems. They are too far indoctrinated and confused. Anyway I must study longer and deeper Bible and Theology. May God give me wisdom to complete my book.”

source

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By: MJ Peace http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/06/identity-snatchers/#comment-19419 Sat, 12 Sep 2015 04:03:43 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9517#comment-19419 Congrats on finishing! That’s awesome; I know it took a lot of effort to write. Continue sharing your story.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/06/identity-snatchers/#comment-19412 Fri, 11 Sep 2015 16:35:45 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9517#comment-19412 It turns out Amazon won’t allow a free promo so quickly after publishing :) In the meantime, enjoy Unexpected Christianity for FREE today and tomorrow.

And a big THANK YOU to those who downloaded/bought over 530 copies of my books this past year!

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/06/identity-snatchers/#comment-19401 Thu, 10 Sep 2015 18:02:12 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9517#comment-19401 To go along with the book release, I’ve added to the free online companion:

http://www.restunleashed.org

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/06/identity-snatchers/#comment-19398 Thu, 10 Sep 2015 07:48:09 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9517#comment-19398 One time FREE promo for my new book, Friday and Saturday ONLY!

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/06/identity-snatchers/#comment-19392 Wed, 09 Sep 2015 16:58:59 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9517#comment-19392 Next book will be the book I planed to be my 6th book and actually started before Identity Snatchers. The new book is called “The Outlaw Convoy”.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/06/identity-snatchers/#comment-19391 Wed, 09 Sep 2015 16:56:46 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9517#comment-19391 Hey everyone, you can now find my books on Goodreads!

Author profile

Book list:

Goodreads: Rest Unleashed

Goodreads: Goodness Found

Goodreads: Unexpected Christianity

Goodreads: The Lambhearted Lion

Goodreads: The New Wine

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/06/identity-snatchers/#comment-19320 Sun, 06 Sep 2015 14:08:24 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9517#comment-19320 Yea, I am keenly aware of all this.

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/06/identity-snatchers/#comment-19314 Sun, 06 Sep 2015 13:32:45 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9517#comment-19314 Thanks, Brian. Your book should be a fun read for many. To be objective and real, it would not be fun for some others.

“…ubf shepherds and missionaries are identity snatchers. They spiritually abused me and thousands others by stealing our identity and persuading us to adopt their identity.” – See more at: http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/06/identity-snatchers/#more-9517

This statement would be flatly and categorically denied by the UBF shepherds and missionaries. What many/some of them think and insist is that they were loving God by obeying the Bible to make disciples through one to one Bible study and through all the manifold UBF activities and traditions and so-called “core values.”

I can say this with absolute confidence and certainty because this is how I thought and was convinced of for over two decades.

My utmost desire is still to love God, others and Scripture because of His mercy, grace and kindness and to make disciples primarily through friendship and relationships. I just no longer do it the way I used to.

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