Comments on: Walking in the Shoes of the Other http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/08/11/walking-in-the-shoes-of-the-other/ for friends of University Bible Fellowship Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:34:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 By: MJ Peace http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/08/11/walking-in-the-shoes-of-the-other/#comment-19028 Fri, 14 Aug 2015 04:31:08 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9412#comment-19028 That article about the “coddling of american minds” reminds me of this buzzfeed clip:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/zgalehouse/the-social-consequences-of-everything-7sat#.cw0Z3AMRZ

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/08/11/walking-in-the-shoes-of-the-other/#comment-19023 Thu, 13 Aug 2015 15:15:39 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9412#comment-19023 Bento is really in the dark about stuff, since he is now regarded by some as a pariah. He is also still trying to figure out the online teckki stuff.

It is so interesting (and “cute”) to me that someone keeps trying to remove this line from Wikipedia: “Some outside observers and former members describe the group as cult-like, excessively controlling, spiritually damaging and/or abusive.[2][3][4][5]”

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/08/11/walking-in-the-shoes-of-the-other/#comment-19022 Thu, 13 Aug 2015 15:07:41 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9412#comment-19022 Attention, agents of Bento: Do you know any native English speakers (e.g. 2nd gens) working at or visiting that chapter now?

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/08/11/walking-in-the-shoes-of-the-other/#comment-19020 Thu, 13 Aug 2015 14:33:51 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9412#comment-19020 The dark weblord also says that someone from Seongnam has visited ubfriends:

Hello South Korea!

And he also tells me there is a ubf chapter in this exact city :)

Seongnam BUF in Gyeonggi-do South Korea‎

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/08/11/walking-in-the-shoes-of-the-other/#comment-19019 Thu, 13 Aug 2015 14:25:17 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9412#comment-19019 Bento might also know this but our dark weblords says this latest erasing came from Kyonggi-do, Seongnam in South Korea.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/08/11/walking-in-the-shoes-of-the-other/#comment-19018 Thu, 13 Aug 2015 14:23:20 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9412#comment-19018 This latest one came from Korea…unless Forests is messing around again :)

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/08/11/walking-in-the-shoes-of-the-other/#comment-19017 Thu, 13 Aug 2015 13:58:24 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9412#comment-19017 Is this attempted editing of Wikipedia coming from the Ukraine? From Korea?

Bento has a network of agents throughout the world. He can easily figure out who is doing this. Bento sees all.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/08/11/walking-in-the-shoes-of-the-other/#comment-19016 Thu, 13 Aug 2015 13:48:52 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9412#comment-19016 Instead of ending the denial, there are still ubfers out there trying to delete negative information about the group on Wikipedia. Wikipedia article blanking again

It’s really pathetic that this person could not just come here to ubfriends and discuss whatever issue compelled him/her to delete the negative statement from the Wiki article. Instead of addressing the things that earn the cult label, the thought is still to erase the cult label.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/08/11/walking-in-the-shoes-of-the-other/#comment-19015 Thu, 13 Aug 2015 13:23:46 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9412#comment-19015 I would love to do a TED talk, and hope to setup something like a book tour :)

“When older church leaders no longer respond with silence and shunning to ex-ubfers, the church will have hope. – See more at: http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/08/11/walking-in-the-shoes-of-the-other/#comment-19014

This is a great way to restate my two demands that I keep repeating. The starting point to redeem ubf is obvious: stop the silent denial and shunning. Figuring out the mess and untangling the organizational impediments will take a long time and will be difficult. But the starting point is easy to identify.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/08/11/walking-in-the-shoes-of-the-other/#comment-19014 Thu, 13 Aug 2015 13:19:18 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9412#comment-19014 Here are some more links:

Kurek on CNN

Kurek on the View

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/08/11/walking-in-the-shoes-of-the-other/#comment-19012 Thu, 13 Aug 2015 13:12:59 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9412#comment-19012 MJ, I agree. In the US we valud IQ so much. But at my workplace I was introduced to the concept of EIQ – emotional IQ. While my IQ is very high, my EIQ is very low. I think our schools need to include these so-called soft skills. The skills won’t be learned at many churches.

I never met Tim in person. We are Facebook friends. We hit it off several years ago before he published his book. We met on the outlaw preachers forum and immediately understood each other. The Spirit was pushing both of us to enter into the gay debates. At the time, Tim was still appearing as gay, and was not ready to tell everyone that he was really straight and was doing a social experiment for one year.

It has been amazing to talk with Tim along this journey. At one point he was on CNN and the View. His book later helped inspire me to be a Christian gay rights pacifist, and I setup my just-being-there blog: http://www.justbeingthere.org/a-message-from-a-christian

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/08/11/walking-in-the-shoes-of-the-other/#comment-19006 Thu, 13 Aug 2015 03:30:13 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9412#comment-19006 An excellent recommendation by Joe, which could very easily apply to the church insisting on its own views and ways at the exclusion of other perspectives and methods: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/

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By: MJ Peace http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/08/11/walking-in-the-shoes-of-the-other/#comment-19005 Thu, 13 Aug 2015 03:09:07 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9412#comment-19005 You know Tim Kurek personally?

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By: MJ Peace http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/08/11/walking-in-the-shoes-of-the-other/#comment-19003 Wed, 12 Aug 2015 23:50:27 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9412#comment-19003 “I was taught that gay people were godless…that they were mutually exclusive.” This is what we are taught, and it is not right.

Thank you for sharing this ted talk. I am so excited that intentional empathy is possible. It is a choice. Can we walk in the shoes of the homeless, the woman selling herself, the lgbtq community, the unchurched, the churched, etc?

Empathy is something that can be taught and it must be taught along with reading and math. When I taught high school I was shocked at how little capability my students had for empathy. That is something that should be taught and enforced from kindergarten. But it means getting out of one s comfort zone. The philosopher Adorno said that the highest form of morality is being uncomfortable one’s own home.

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/08/11/walking-in-the-shoes-of-the-other/#comment-18998 Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:36:44 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9412#comment-18998 Kurek’s concluding question is highly relevant and practical. Do we still think in terms of black and white? Or are we willing to live in a world with wildly different vibrant colors? (I’m paraphrasing his question.)

The questions I have personally heard over the last 7 years are the following:

* Are you in or are you out?
* Are you UBF or are you not UBF?
* Do you focus on campus mission or not?
* Are you raising leaders or letting people do whatever they want?
* Do you carry out 1:1 Bible studies and testimony writing or not?
* Are you studying the Bible or just reading books?

Such questions are endless. They are also cute! Sorry, I couldn’t resist saying this.

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/08/11/walking-in-the-shoes-of-the-other/#comment-18997 Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:06:30 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9412#comment-18997 A very relatable TED talk. Brian, I’m rooting for you to one day give a TED talk!

“The response…was silence. Overnight, it was as though I had died, that I no longer exist.”

When older church leaders no longer respond with silence and shunning to ex-ubfers, the church will have hope.

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