Comments on: 2 Corinthians Study – Introduction

By: BrianK

BrianK — Sun, 13 Jul 2014 02:27:06 +0000

Yes, N.T. Wright is a rich source for these kinds of studies! I will be blogging my way through 2 Corinthians using N. T. Wright for Everyone Bible Study Guides for 2 Corinthians. Typically this will be my Sunday morning personal study and blog time, starting tomorrow.

By: Ben Toh

Ben Toh — Thu, 10 Jul 2014 10:07:51 +0000

+1. In UBF our dichotomies are endless. Abraham is good, Lot is bad. Jacob is good, Esau is bad. Joseph is good, Joseph’s brothers are bad. David is good, Saul is bad. Those who don’t read UBFriends are good, those who do are ALL bad. The apostle Paul is a spiritual superhero soldier of Christ, and we UBFers must all be like him, and not like the money crazy, sports and movie worshiping, family centered, cultural and nominal selfish American Christians who have no mission and no absolute attitude!

By: Joe Schafer

Joe Schafer — Thu, 10 Jul 2014 09:35:27 +0000

A word of caution: 2 Corinthians is full of imagery and cultural references that made sense to first-century Jews but are unfamiliar to us today. To understand what Paul is talking about, you will need a good commentary that explains these cultural references. I like N.T. Wright’s Paul for Everyone series.

By: forestsfailyou

forestsfailyou — Thu, 10 Jul 2014 06:08:25 +0000

This really encourages me to read though this book. I stopped reading though the bible in 1 Corinthians and havn’t went farther. Now I want to. Thanks!

By: Joe Schafer

Joe Schafer — Tue, 08 Jul 2014 12:25:07 +0000

2 Corinthians was the last book that I tried preached through at our Sunday worship service. I only made it partway through the book, but it was very interesting and eye opening. More than any other epsitle, it provides a window into the personal life and struggles of the Apostle Paul. In the midst of his faith, he also exhibited times of weakness, doubt, even symptoms of depression. Paul was honest and real. He didn’t minimize his emotions or spiritualize his problems away. Before I studied 2 Corinthians, I already knew that the way Paul is usually depicted in ubf messages — as a soldierlike tough guy, a superhero who never showed doubt and never stopped working and never wavered in his mission — was a fictional character spawned by ubf ideology. Studying 2 Corinthians dispelled the last remmnants of those silly ideas.

By: BrianK

BrianK — Tue, 08 Jul 2014 00:08:50 +0000

Thanks Ben and Chris. Those are great points to ponder. I am finding 2 Corinthians has fewer commentaries than other books but is often quoted. Some amazing verses are in this part of Scripture!

By: BrianK

BrianK — Tue, 08 Jul 2014 00:05:43 +0000

“Thanks for pointing to 2 Cor, Brian. In my 10 years of UBF, we never studied that epistle. – See more at: http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/07/2-corinthians-study-introduction/#comment-14383

Yes, Chris, I am so excited to explore the whole bible now! I counted 29 out of 66 books in my ubf bible study notes. Only about 10 of those 29 books were complete studies. The rest were just partial studies or special conference studies. We just kept repeating the same books over and over. No wonder my theology is so shallow.

I found one time where our chapter studied 2 Corinthians 4 and 5 for an Easter conference. But that was it. In fact I gave a message on 2 Cor 5 back on 4/22/2000… which brings back PTSD memories of the horrible message training experiences at ubf….As I read that message again I can clearly see my escapist/ticket to heaven mentality. I recall my confusion over the question “What is the gospel?” I just really didn’t know. I also see my Christianized-Confucian value system loud and clear:

“What pleases God? God is pleased when we obey his commands. Jesus said, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.” (John 14:23) Obedience requires hard work and discipline. It goes against our nature. Pleasing God requires dying to our own will and desires. Pleasing God requires sacrifice. But in this earthly tent we have only a short time to do so many things.”

I am finding my renewed passion for bible study that I had back in 1987 when I wanted to become a Catholic priest. I can’t wait to see what is uncovered in 2 Corinthians! I am reading all 13 chapters and several sermons to prepare.

By: Ben Toh

Ben Toh — Mon, 07 Jul 2014 21:21:55 +0000

From my sporadic reading, I remember the overall of theme of 2 Corinthians to be “Power Trough Weakness.” This is perhaps best expressed in 2 Cor 4:7-18; 12:9-10.

By: Ben Toh

Ben Toh — Mon, 07 Jul 2014 21:18:51 +0000

Chris, as much as SL did “bad things” which I do not dispute, I also know of countless people who experienced goodness, kindness and generosity through him. I know you say that he did such good things with “bad ulterior motives” to make them UBF loyalists. Nonetheless, that’s what many people will testify. Through SL they experienced the Spirit of God, the grace of Jesus and the love and goodness of God.

By: Chris

Chris — Mon, 07 Jul 2014 20:52:44 +0000

Thanks for pointing to 2 Cor, Brian. In my 10 years of UBF, we never studied that epistle.

After leaving UBF, I found that chapters 10-11 not only talk about the “defense of his leadership” as you summarized the last part, but also include a very good description of spiritual abusive leaders aka “power mongers in the church” aka “super apostles”. I found it pretty amazing that such extreme spiritual abuse could already been found in the early church amentioned in the Bible and not only a sad phenomenon on the fringes of modern evangelical-fundamentalist Christianity.

Please have a look at Paul’s complaint in 2 Cor 11:20: “You gladly put up with fools since you are so wise! In fact, you even put up with anyone who enslaves you or exploits you or takes advantage of you or puts on airs or slaps you in the face.”

Isn’t that what Samuel Lee in Chicago and earlier in Korea did to people, and Peter Chang in Bonn and others copied?

Also read other translations of this verse, like the NET Bible:

“For you put up with it if someone makes slaves of you, if someone exploits you, if someone takes advantage of you, if someone behaves arrogantly toward you, if someone strikes you in the face.”

Paul clearly says that this is behavior that must not be tolerated. Why is UBF so shy to denounce this behavior and call “super-apostles” out? Was only Paul allowed to speak so clearly?

What do you think Paul would have said to people using titles such as “general directors”, or people ordering inhumane trainings and beatings in the name of mission, or people demanding “absolute obedience”? And what would he have said to people who tolerate all of this for decades and silence those who tried to change it?