Comments on: The Six Stage UBF Training Model http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/ for friends of University Bible Fellowship Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:34:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-18851 Mon, 20 Jul 2015 16:52:40 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-18851 Another topic in my 7th book: Why the 6 stage training model developed at ubf is a failure.

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-18535 Mon, 25 May 2015 13:37:29 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-18535 One of the 8 points of Buddhism is “Say nothing to hurt others.” I wonder if this is true of UBFers in general? (btw-the link does not work.)

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-18533 Mon, 25 May 2015 13:04:24 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-18533 I came across two things that reminded me of this 6 stage training article.

1. The ubf mindset seems very similar to the 8 points of Buddhism: The eightfold path of Buddhism

2. This post from 2003 by someone who left NYubf is spot on: Description of the ubf agenda

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14541 Tue, 15 Jul 2014 02:36:34 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14541 Ah yes, everything must be “fellowship”…. SO glad I got off that crazy train!

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By: c http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14525 Mon, 14 Jul 2014 21:19:25 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14525 MJ, you said, “Maybe there is a language barrier? Most articles on ubf.org are like that, though, and no one even knows what those terms mean specifically. Why can’t we just be honest and say she is going to get married, live her life in the states and we wish her all the best? – See more at: http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14516

I can only read that report for what it is. I don’t see it as being dishonest or suffering from a language barrier at all. I believe those words were carefully chosen and intended. I think we can only assume that the report said what it intended to say. That jargon is the measurement of her performance and they wished for continued performance “as a good soldier.” Interestingly, last Sunday she shared her life key verse in LA from that passage and prayed to be a good soldier.

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14516 Mon, 14 Jul 2014 18:03:36 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14516 ok, I now see it mentioned in the 1976 letter.

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14515 Mon, 14 Jul 2014 17:55:46 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14515 Hi Chris. Pulling out of toenails is not something I’ve heard of until now. When and where did that happen?

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By: Chris http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14512 Mon, 14 Jul 2014 17:31:56 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14512 Hi MJPeace and others, I really like a lot what you and others have recently posted here!

Just one small statement bothered me: “We are depending on methods that worked in the past.” I have heard similar statements from 2nd and 3rd gen UBF members in the last years and frankly I don’t understand why such statements are made.

As we know and understand pretty well, the methods of UBF provoke and facilitate spiritual abuse. This was exactly the same in the past, just read the 1976 letter. So these methods never “worked” – at least not when you define “work” as producing a healthy community with mature people and not a cult.

So if you claim that things “worked” in the past, then it sounds to me as if you either do still not understand the degree of abuse in the past (which was higher than it is today), or you believe that this abuse was somehow tolerable for people in the past (like me), but not for people today. When I hear this from 2nd gens, I feel like mocked. Somehow like you’re saying: It was OK for Samuel Lee in the past to have people pull toenails out as a punishment, because they were silly, immature people who deserved such treatment and needed such training, it “worked” for them, but we in our modern generation do not accept such methods any more. This is nonsense. The treatment was just as abusive in the past as it is today. Even if it happened 2000 years ago, it was still abusive and not acceptable in the church.

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By: MJ Peace http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14486 Fri, 11 Jul 2014 21:42:12 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14486 “I often remind people in my “reflections” and messages that God made people (aka child of God) first, then he made the family (Adam and Eve), and then the church grew out of that.”

It’s a subtle difference, but it has huge implications. It’s like when you are sailing on a boat, if you are at the wrong angle from your destination, you won’t notice it in the beginning, but as time goes on, you will see how far you are.

I feel like in UBF there were certain faults, like marriage by faith (only for mission), exaggerating numbers of attendants at conference, putting an unnecessary emphasis on ministry related activities over everything else, neglecting families for campus ministry, etc. At the time, they weren’t that big of a deal, but as time goes on those faults grow and get bigger and bigger. And the practices are repeated and exacerbated. It’s like with water, the farther you get from the source, the muddier the water gets. We are depending on methods that worked in the past, but don’t work now and we are just copying and pasting and ignoring the fact that now is a new time with a new generation and a new culture. We have to stop pushing the UBF agenda. It’s really suffocating and it tethers people down.

My own opinion is that change won’t happen top-down. The culture of the organization has to change. I’m all about grass root movements;). Everybody has to do the best they can to follow the HS in whatever ministry, chapter, church, country they’re in.

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By: MattC http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14477 Fri, 11 Jul 2014 20:20:11 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14477 I am also reminded of Matthew 23:15 often as I heard such determination to go to amazing lengths to reach out to people, while ignoring real issues at home and in the heart.

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By: MattC http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14476 Fri, 11 Jul 2014 20:18:08 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14476 Maybe there is a fascination with the possibility that people can be used so amazingly. I think we all have that hope. At the same time, the level of preparation and training vs the desired fruit are often not the same.

In language they call the sudden use of two separate terms/ideas interchangeably (and one always falls out of fashion) “flattening” and represents a social, linguistic and cognitive flattening of ideas for expediency. Joe Schafer’s comments are probably spot on.

The scary part is when people in the “house churches” begin to see themselves in such a light (missionary, shepherd) that those roles take over priority in their lives over their true God-given roles (child of God, husband/wife/father/mother). I often remind people in my “reflections” and messages that God made people (aka child of God) first, then he made the family (Adam and Eve), and then the church grew out of that. We need balance and priority.

And I do hope they have a lovely life together! I hope we can all enjoy the blessed family God has for us.

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By: MattC http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14475 Fri, 11 Jul 2014 20:11:44 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14475 Not just SOCCER, *SOCCER FELLOWSHIP* We used to joke a bit, when one of our “growing students” who was 1 of 4 students in our ministry preparing easter messages. The minivan was having a hard time to get situated in a small paralell parking spot, we were all looking around out the windows to help. She said, “This is parking fellowship.”

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By: MattC http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14473 Fri, 11 Jul 2014 20:08:28 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14473 Wow, I can’t believe there are so many responses still. Anyhow, my source is the “Navigator Spiritual Growth Series”, the title of the booklet is “The Nuts and Bolts of One-to-One Discipling,” by Tom Yeakley. This was obtained when the “shepherds” in our ministry could all see the beauty of actually helping other people grow in their faith in Christ. It’s a nice booklet!

Brian, you’re probly right. I think I collapsed two diagrams in my mind. the process of making disciples is 1) Evangelizing, 2) Establishing, 3) Equipping and 4)Sending. It’s very much in line with Robert Coleman’s Master Plan books.

The Wheel is another diagram, The Obedient Christian in Action, Witnessing, Fellowship, The Word and Prayer are the 4 spokes of the wheel, and the center is CHRIST. That’s my favorite part.

Follow up is a Building. The foundation is JESUS (1Cor 3:11), the walls are doctrine and ministry, the roof is character, and the top is Romans 15:14. Anyhow, the clear emphasis is building our life and ministry on Christ, something the 1 Timothy leadership conference helped me see (it was good for the most part), but which we, in UBF, often confuddle with other issues.

The structure really is sound, but I feel we very often make a replica (since sheep cannot think for themselves?) to substitute and people often stop thinking and are satisfied by being in the process and having the approval of their shepherds.

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By: MattC http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14469 Fri, 11 Jul 2014 20:01:01 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14469 No I declined. In my funny mind, I imagine the crickets chirping. No one really asked me about that. However, I have been keeping my wife posted as to the reasons I am not that interested in taking more steps as a leader in UBF. Of course, part of it was shamefully “pragmatist,” my wife is super busy with study and not much time to help my two kids.

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By: MattC http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14467 Fri, 11 Jul 2014 19:59:20 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14467 No, I declined. And you could hear the crickets chirping.

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By: forestsfailyou http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14465 Fri, 11 Jul 2014 19:33:22 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14465 To support your claim Joe, all the women from the Philippines that have married Americans have all been counted as missionaries in the recent “God’s work in UBF in 2013”, yet none of them have that title. It seems to easy to point out that you can’t have it both ways. As always there is an unspoken division between “real (Christian/ missionary/ disciple)” and “countable (Christian/ missionary/ disciple)”.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14458 Fri, 11 Jul 2014 13:39:55 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14458 Please keep in mind that when I say such things I am echoing voices from the most recent 3 crisis events in ubf history, as well as the mini-crisis events that rocked Toledo UBF every 3 to 4 years.

In the 1976 crisis I was in 2nd grade :)
In the 1989 crisis I was a witness to the James Kim events.
In the 2000 crisis I stood by idly, trying to be neutral.
In the 2011 crisis I was the main voice of criticism.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14457 Fri, 11 Jul 2014 13:24:41 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14457 In case anyone is wondering, Matthew 23:15 is one of the verses that pierced my heart and shined light on my huge blind spot, and led to my shutting down Detroit ubf.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14456 Fri, 11 Jul 2014 13:21:19 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14456 The 20 or so top ubf leaders and chapter directors should consider taking Matthew 23:15 as their key verse for 2015.

Are not the seven woes Jesus pronounced precisely the summary of ubf leadership problems we’ve been discussing during each “crisis” every 10 years or so?

Will ubf leadership listen to Jesus’ warnings in Matthew 23:13-39? Or will they continue to keep their arrogant silence and maintain their status as God’s anointed servants in our generation?

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By: MJ Peace http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14455 Fri, 11 Jul 2014 12:27:22 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14455 Thank you for answering my question, Joe. I agree with your answer and it is something that I have seen in the UBF chapters I have visited around the world. Why is there such a broad definition of missionary? (And not only I ,but another Ukrainian sister from my church. When she visited other UBF chapters in Europe she asked, “why are there no locals?”) Honestly, I don’t want to be sent out as a missionary from UBF. I want to go to a ministry that provides practical education, support and training in cross-cultural witness. Frankly speaking, I think CME is a waste of time. I respect the good intentions, efforts and sacrifice UBF missionaries make, but a little more (useful) training in cross-cultural interaction could save so much time, money, effort and heart break, instead of all the “UBF Bible Studies”. I personally have seen the harm caused by missionaries imposing the UBF agenda instead of the gospel, (as BK always brings up on this site, KOPAHN theology should not replace the gospel.) Once again, not all UBF missionaries are like this. But I am speaking from my own experiences. Other people have had other types of experience. I speak from what I’ve personally seen and heard and lived.

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By: Chris http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14454 Thu, 10 Jul 2014 22:30:52 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14454 “Since then, if you went to another country … for just about any reason, you were counted as a missionary.”

In a similar vein, every journey to another country, even if only for attending a conference, was called a “missionary journey”, equating it with St. Paul’s journeys.

But there was also a tendendy to reserve the title “missionary” to Koreans only. For instance, my wife who came to Germany from a non-Korean country was not addressed as “missionary” but as “shepherdess” only, while the Koreans who were married to Germans were addressed as “missionaries”.

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14441 Thu, 10 Jul 2014 09:58:48 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14441 Might it be because UBF absolutely needs to link everything UBF does (say marriage) to UBF’s obsession and idolatry with UBF mission and core values in order to validate UBF as well as validate some UBF’s people identity and self worth? (Sorry for this long laborious tedious question that even sounds confounding and infuriating to me!)

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14438 Thu, 10 Jul 2014 09:30:05 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14438 MJ asks: “Why can’t we just say she is going to the states to get married and we wish her all the best?”

A cynical but realistic answer: Because UBF wants to count her as a missionary.

Since the earliest days of UBF, any member who has left his or her own country and gone to another country for any reason has been counted as a missionary.

That practice started in the 1970s when Korean women received visas to go to West Germany and work as nurses. SL quickly “trained” them and commissioned them as missionaries. Since then, if you went to another country to get married, to study, to work, or for just about any reason (except to run away from UBF), you were counted as a missionary. Whether you actually had the calling or training or ability to do cross-cultural witness was irrelevant. To my knowledge, no reputable missionary-sending organization has such a broad definition of missionary. By any reasonable standard, most of the missionaries sent by ubf should just be called immigrants.

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14437 Thu, 10 Jul 2014 09:27:50 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14437 Would anyone who has been in UBF for many years ever ask these simple questions?: “I also don’t understand why so much UBF jargon has to be used like “faithful shepherdess,” “missionary sending center” and “discipleship ministry.” Why can’t we just say she is going to the states to get married and we wish her all the best?” – See more at: http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14435

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By: MJ Peace http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14435 Thu, 10 Jul 2014 06:58:16 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14435 I know Natasha, who is being sent out as a missionary from Ukraine to LA. I also don’t understand why so much UBF jargon has to be used like “faithful shepherdess,” “missionary sending center” and “discipleship ministry.” Why can’t we just say she is going to the states to get married and we wish her all the best?

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By: MJ Peace http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14434 Thu, 10 Jul 2014 06:54:42 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14434 I know Natasha from Ukraine, who is being sent out to LA as a missionary and when I read the report I too was saddened. I don’t understand why there has to be so much UBF jargon like “faithful shepherdess” or “missionary sending center” or “serving discipleship ministry.” Maybe there is a language barrier? Most articles on ubf.org are like that, though, and no one even knows what those terms mean specifically. Why can’t we just be honest and say she is going to get married, live her life in the states and we wish her all the best? I really do, she is a close friend of mine and moving to a new country is a big change and so is marrying a foreigner.

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By: MJ Peace http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14431 Thu, 10 Jul 2014 06:31:35 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14431 I also can’t wait to hear what you write MattC! Were you at the staff conference?

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By: forestsfailyou http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14427 Thu, 10 Jul 2014 06:00:39 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14427 While I was preparing a message on Jesus’ anointing at Bethany the topic arose as to ask the congregation what their “purfume” was. In other words, what is so good that you can give it to Jesus. The man then asked me what the most important thing in my life was, at which point I wondered why I was asked such a thing, I paused and he said “is it a relationship or your marriage” and I laughed at him.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14426 Thu, 10 Jul 2014 02:46:37 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14426 Ah but SOCCER is OKAY apparently !?!?

“I have about 15 soccer students. We started our soccer fellowship with them about one year ago.”

Probably soccer is ok because it is not one of those EVIL sports from America like NBA or MLB or NFL or NHL….

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14425 Thu, 10 Jul 2014 02:45:28 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14425 Maybe our problem is that we don’t have “true love”….

“Also, we should have a right attitude. For example, one person said “See other missionaries, they don’t go fishing, they don’t raise any disciples, so what is a problem for me not to raise up even one disciple. This kind of attitude is not graceful. We must have a right attitude and live before God and live on this words. When we see other missionaries not being able to raise up disciples, we should think in a right attitude by making a decision to work even harder and pray harder in order to take care of my portion and plus other missionaries’ portions. This is true love toward other missionaries.”

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14424 Thu, 10 Jul 2014 02:44:02 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14424 Speaking of soldier training….

“We are not regular ordinary civilians since we were bought by the blood of Jesus and became born again. We are disciples of Jesus. We are blessed to grow in Jesus and serve Him and His Kingdom. So we do not live like other regular civilians. How do other regular civilians live? Their first priority is family oriented life or their jobs or anything else they like to do in this world. But, the priority of Jesus’ disciples is to please our commanding officer, Jesus. So we focus on growing in the words of God and teaching his sheep and raising them up as his disciples. It is easy to say this, but this requires a lot of work and focus. If we do not focus on this, we are very distracted by so many things in this world, and at the end we can not see good results. We can not raise up even one disciple. We are living in very distracting generation with such as all kinds of media such as endless news daily through the internet. So we can waste our precious time at least a few hours per day easily watching over those things on the internet.”

July 2014 blog article from a long-time ubf Korean missionary

The red flags in this lecture are so many and so horrendous that I would just have to mark the entire lecture as a classic example of what I mean by the evangelicalism mixed in with the Christianized-Confucianism.

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14421 Thu, 10 Jul 2014 00:29:48 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14421 +1

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By: c http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14420 Thu, 10 Jul 2014 00:28:19 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14420 This is also evident when numbers are down as there are often calls for sacrifice and “challenge.” The first reaction is usually that people are not sacrificing enough. It’s the people, not the organization or the system, that is wrong and needs to find out where to repent and get away from “civilian affairs.” I don’t mean that people do not need to repent, be challenged, and so on, at the right times. But why is this usually the first call when numbers are down? I don’t see it coming from love at all. And to be fair, the Kiev report doesn’t mention love at all.

I desire mercy, not sacrifice — Matthew 12:7, Hosea 6:6

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14419 Thu, 10 Jul 2014 00:16:33 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14419 The extreme dedication and sacrifice of hardline ubf chapters (like Kiev) doesn’t necessarily come from love for God. It is a kind of twisted passion for sacrifice itself.

Another quote by Thomas Merton (No Man is an Island):

“Next comes the temptation to destroy ourselves for love of the other. The only value is love of the other. Self-sacrifice is an absolute value in itself. And the desire of the other is also absolute in itself. No matter what the lover desires, we will give up our life or even our soul to please him. This is the asceticism of Eros, which makes it a point of honor to follow the beloved into hell. For what greater sacrifice could man offer on the altar of love than the sacrifice of his own immortal soul? Heroism in this sacrifice is measured precisely by madness: it is all the greater when it is offered for a more trivial motive.”

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14417 Wed, 09 Jul 2014 20:02:42 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14417 Well yes I would say a hearty Amen to that truncated statement!

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14416 Wed, 09 Jul 2014 19:30:07 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14416 “May God have mercy on Kiev UBF to repent…” Something on ubf.org with which I wholeheartedly agree.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14415 Wed, 09 Jul 2014 17:11:39 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14415 That’s a great article Charles, thanks. This point stood out to me:

“Mark 3: A healthy parachurch ministry avoids acting like the church. If a parachurch organization confuses the boundaries of church and parachurch it will begin to practice things best left to the church. When parachurch ministries begin to act like the church they often allow people involved in their ministries to substitute parachurch involvement for church involvement, which is an unhealthy exchange.”

Many of the unhealthy and abusive aspects of many ubf chapters is a result of their intentional blurring of boundaries.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14413 Wed, 09 Jul 2014 16:56:11 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14413 Thanks for sharing that link Charles. That report is proof of all that I’ve been saying about the ubf KOPAHN theology. I found that I don’t need to mock ubf or make up anything; I just need to share ubf’s own material with people.

This quote is a huge red flag, and explains why ubf has earned the cult label. People are not treated as human beings at ubf, but as inanimate products that exist solely for propagating the ubf heritage…

“May God have mercy on Kiev UBF to repent our complacency and to stand firm as a missionary sending center through serving the discipleship ministry well all the more!”

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By: c http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14412 Wed, 09 Jul 2014 16:48:33 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14412 I recently read an article about the marks of a healthy parachurch mininstry (I don’t believe UBF has been a parachurch for decades, but I’ve heard the association made). Here’s a link to the article. http://www.9marks.org/journal/nine-marks-healthy-parachurch-ministry

One comment in the article reminded me of the article here on ubfriends on training, particularly the mention of missionary organizations becoming gyms:

“The standard cliché for parachurch is that it’s not the church, but an arm of the church. Yet historically, that arm has shown a tendency to develop a mind of its own and crawl away from the body, which creates a mess. Given the grand scope and size of many parachurch ministries, those which go wayward can propagate error for years: missionary organizations become gyms, heretical seminaries pump out heretical pastors, and service organizations produce long-term confusion between the gospel and social action.”

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By: c http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14411 Wed, 09 Jul 2014 16:40:44 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14411 According to this report, even marriage is a tool to advance the military campaign.
http://ubf.org/node/2550
I was saddened that there were not any requests for prayers and blessings on the couple as a family, but only to be good soldiers.

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14407 Tue, 08 Jul 2014 18:57:21 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14407 Christy remembers this!

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14406 Tue, 08 Jul 2014 17:56:52 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14406 On a “Korean journey” he wore those army fatigues in Seoul and almost got arrested. Apparently it’s illegal to wear an army uniform in Korea, unless you are actually in the army.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14404 Tue, 08 Jul 2014 17:10:26 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14404 Yes the military layer… yet another oddity mixed into the ubf bag. I often forget about that one because I managed to avoid that, other than of course my KOPAHN theology was heavily influenced by the “holy soldier” mentality. Dressing up in army uniforms was not my cup of tea…those Koreans who did that freaked me out. One American in our chapter (now in Chicago) used to wear army fatigues during conference time.

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14403 Tue, 08 Jul 2014 16:47:17 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14403 As Brian’s links show, Navigators was started by men who served in the military. Their language and approach to discipleship drew heavily on military metaphors. Add to this the heavy militarization of South Korea in the post-war years. This explains a great deal of the military-style culture of ubf.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14402 Tue, 08 Jul 2014 16:12:05 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14402 Matt, perhaps ubf could learn from the Navigators one to one newsletter? ubf would be much healthier I think if they would actually imitate some of these other ministries more closely…

Jim Downing is 100 years old (if he is still alive) and has been doing one to one since 1933.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14401 Tue, 08 Jul 2014 16:07:19 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14401 Oh and remember that “561 American campus” prayer topic? That was not invented by ubf either. Somewhere we already discussed this we some old links…

Basically there is very little in the ubf heritage that is uniquely created by SL or SB. Take parts of the Student Volunteer Movement, the Navigators, Scripture Union and InterVarsity, add in a heavy does of Korean culture and Christianized-Confucianism, drop in a large portion of absolute authority, mix in significant amounts of weird, made up training exercises, top it off with fundamentalist Christianity and there you have the ubf cocktail. This cocktail is sweet at first, but watch out for that bitter aftertaste.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14400 Tue, 08 Jul 2014 16:00:26 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14400 Matt,

“About 10 years ago, one of our shepherds (since departed) discovered a few blurbs that Dr. SL learned the “one to one” model from the Navigators, a ministry that thrived for a time and doesn’t make much news now.”

Yes several parts of ubf were copied from other student movements, including the Daily Bread format (which up until recent years had been plagirized from Scripture Union. Those drawings about praying, etc. are a direct copy from the older material:

Daily Bread from Scripture Union

Sample Daily Bread (check out page 3)

In regard to Navigator’s, maybe you are referring to their “Discipleship Wheel” diagram?

Imitating other ministries is not a problem for me. Imitating other ministries and then claiming you are the unique, elite inventors of such things is a big problem.

ubf would fare much better if the let all the official/church/denomination/seminary talk just die off. Instead of creating those things, ubf would be far healthier if they would take the Navigator’s path and focus on being a Christian network with a small number of specific, well-documented, publicly available training sessions.

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14393 Tue, 08 Jul 2014 08:35:19 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14393 MattC, I can’t wait to read what you will write! This indictment, which seems obvious, yet oblivious to some/many, is most troubling and certainly needs to be most seriously addressed: “The center is one’s commitment to UBF and NOT CHRIST.” – See more at: http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#sthash.97tnMGiR.dpuf

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By: MattC http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14391 Tue, 08 Jul 2014 04:53:11 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14391 Good point, but these are definitely the unwritten rules, and by this I mean, they are the main concerns of missionaries for growing students, like a checklist, and all in order. Come to Bible study, come faithfully, come to sws, come faithfully, writing testimonies, sharing them in the conference (“so people can know who they are”), serving messages at conferences, leading 1:1’s, marrying by faith, but even then, it’s only the beginning. I did it all and still have not gained what I would consider “real” respect from others. Then comes participating in local and regional and staff conferences and so on. There is a real and “only one way” kind of progression everyone is afraid to abandon, though in most cases at one point or another it is abandoned, and then the growing believer is labeled . . .

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By: MattC http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14390 Tue, 08 Jul 2014 04:41:10 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14390 I thought about this recently, the 6-stage training model. About 10 years ago, one of our shepherds (since departed) discovered a few blurbs that Dr. SL learned the “one to one” model from the Navigators, a ministry that thrived for a time and doesn’t make much news now.

Well my old friend found a small handbook for leading 1 to 1 studies made by Navigators. If I can find a copy, I will try to share their “4 step” plan which was actually quite good.

step one was like laying a foundation in a house, ie, laying a foundation in Christ. Compare to step one in UBF being “join Bible study”–a performative behavior, where the former is a decision of faith.

step two was being rooted in the faith, ie, developing a godly walk. This seems to be where the 6 steps plan noted above gets really stuck in the mud.

The third step was learning to share one’s faith, and the fourth was actually participating in discipleship ministry. If I recall correctly.

The most jarring thing is, the six-step method mentioned here is entirely focused on the believer’s relationship with the UBF Church. The center is one’s commitment to UBF and NOT CHRIST. This seems to explain a number of “peculiar phenomena” I have seen and heard from others (being nice here, bear with me). The second most jarring thing (and the most unpopular theme people hear from me in my ministry) is that the outward action of sharing the gospel and raising disciples of all nation comes *at the end* after a person has a strong foundation in Christ and a genuine walk of faith. To often our ministry has it backwards–participate, commit, you will see fruit (and you don’t in most cases) and in the process you will eventually see Jesus and find out this is the right way.

That being said, If I can find that handbook I will try to scan the diagram. It’s quite beautiful and really shows a reasonable path that Scripture attests to.

*Side note* As I was driving home this afternoon these thoughts finally came together. In fact, it seems that I have inside me a well thought out presentation of the problems that UBF needs to face to preserve its credibility/integrity as a gospel organization. It’s too extensive for me to even think about all at once, and needs to be developed and perhaps written out to share. Why haven’t I developed it yet? Perhaps because of chronic busy-ness, which is quite frankly a convenient excuse for many (my family is guilty of this) to avoid the actual issues.

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By: Chris http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14373 Mon, 07 Jul 2014 18:27:31 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14373 I can confirm that I have gone through exactly these stages in this order. The Korean missionaries have to go through two more stages, 6) go through missionary trainign and 7) be sent out to a foreign country (similarly to MbF, it is usually the shepherd who decides to which country a person is sent).

Note that the “missionary training” here is very different from any ordinary missionary training. It doesn’t prepare people for mission, you don’t learn missiology, counseling, foreign language and culture or anything like that. You just have to write and share UBF style sogams and show absolute obedience for a course of several weeks or months. Actually the same program as usual UBF training, only on a more intense level.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14367 Mon, 07 Jul 2014 15:11:57 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14367 MJ,

“I think there was a time for MBF”

No, there was never a time for MBF, at least in America. My wife and I celebrated our 20th wedding anniversary last week. It was the first actual date trip we’ve ever had.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14366 Mon, 07 Jul 2014 15:10:25 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14366 Well-said MJ. We need more people like you to stay at ubf. And we need more redeemed ubf chapters at ubf who, like WL, reject the training methods and heritage slogans. Unfortunately, such things require far too much fight, pain and trouble for most people.

At some point, probably in 2015 when a new general director is selected by the ubf echelon, that same ubf echelon will need to make some decisions regarding the redeemed, Christian chapters like WL. Because in reality the only reason WL is still a recognized ubf chapter is because of the fight and suffering taken on by Ben and a few others.

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By: MJ Peace http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14364 Mon, 07 Jul 2014 14:58:37 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14364 I’m glad I made it only up to step 5. I lucked out of step 6. I don’t have a positive opinion of marriage by faith, although my parents’ example is beautiful and I am a product of it (and many other commentors on this site have their own wonderful MBF’s.) I think there was a time for MBF, but not for me. I’m a “sentimental romantic” and actually want to marry someone I know and is my friend before the wedding. Also, I rather be married to someone who wants to marry me, instead of someone who has to wait for the direction of his Bible Teacher, but hey, that’s just me.

I’m sill in UBF, but I’m not going through the sheep/shepherd training. And I think that’s why people think WL is a rogue chapter and not “truly” UBF. It’s an interesting comment, I hear all the time. West Loop is not UBF. Dr. Ben is not in UBF. Does UBF have something that the gospel does not? Does UBF add extra stipulations for a believer, because I’m pretty sure Galations has something to say about that.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14361 Mon, 07 Jul 2014 14:15:01 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14361 The bottom line is this: ubf will create any and all kind of training events to instill the 12 point ubf heritage slogans in college students.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14360 Mon, 07 Jul 2014 14:11:58 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14360 “Yes, the number of people who have actually gone through these stages and remained in ubf is very small.”

Good point Joe and I agree. The “training plan” is not very sophisticated and as Ben pointed out, is highly subjective by the shepherds. The big problem for ubf trainers is that the trainees keep messing things up.

One Korean missionary told me the other week that “we don’t have any training plan, but we should adopt one.” That is true in the sense that there is no official documented training program at ubf. But this is also misleading because the six turning points or measurements of spiritual growth are almost universally applied in ubfland:

1) accept 1:1 bible study, 2) attend Sunday services, 3) share his/her life testimony, 4) move into a common life house, 5) graduate from college and 6) accept the arranged marriage process.

Regardless, here is the gift ubf leaders have given me: Because ubf leaders have remained silent all these years and refused to document their training, claiming to be spiritual mature servants of God, someone else gets to define their teaching. Someone like me.

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14359 Mon, 07 Jul 2014 14:04:18 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14359 And, out of necessity, many of the smaller local ubf chapters have abandoned many aspects of this training because in the North American context it’s culturally implausible.

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14358 Mon, 07 Jul 2014 13:55:14 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14358 Some readers might object to Brian’s article, saying that these six stages of training are a caricature. They might say, “Most of the people in UBF whom I know haven’t followed this plan.

Based on my observations of North Americsn ubf over three decades, I would say this:

Yes, the number of people who have actually gone through these stages and remained in ubf is very small. Out of necessity, almost everyone deviates from this game plan. Then the missionaries see the person as problematic; they say that he or she has “become difficult.” They will probably still let the person hang around to keep their fellowship’s numbers up, but they no longer have aspirations for that person to grow as a leader and start to put their hope in someone else.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14357 Mon, 07 Jul 2014 13:37:37 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14357 And the other difficulty with ubf numbers is how to count those Koreans who were officially excommunicated in 2000? What about those who were sent out and then left or resigned?

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14356 Mon, 07 Jul 2014 13:33:10 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14356 “Perhaps the numbers are closer to 1,500 missionaries to 80 countries, which was so some years ago.”

It is difficult to know. I read about that 1,500 number, and later a 3,000 number. The reality is that no one outside the ubf top echelon will know for sure, especially if the numbers dropped.

The public claim is over 9,000 average Sunday attendants.

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/07/06/the-six-stage-ubf-training-model/#comment-14355 Mon, 07 Jul 2014 12:52:06 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8134#comment-14355 Thanks, Brian, this is rather long and painful to read… The common key word of the stages is TRAINING, which, in my opinion, is a very sad and unfortunate key word and central thought and insistence in the UBF life and paradigm.

According to the leader’s preference, which is often arbitrary and sometimes illogical and whimsical, people under him or her absolutely NEED “all kinds of training,” which NEVER ENDS as long as you have someone senior over you.

Perhaps the numbers are closer to 1,500 missionaries to 80 countries, which was so some years ago. I may be wrong but I don’t think this has increased significantly in recent years, because fewer and fewer missionaries from Korea are going out each year.

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