Comments on: Rest Unleashed – Narrative 1 of 3 http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/05/23/rest-unleashed-narrative-1-of-3/ for friends of University Bible Fellowship Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:34:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 By: BK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/05/23/rest-unleashed-narrative-1-of-3/#comment-14022 Sun, 25 May 2014 18:31:25 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=7950#comment-14022 Hey everyone. I decided to blog my second book on my personal theology blog, Goodness Found – Narrative 1.

I will be sharing quotes from all 3 narratives as I continue to work out my personal theology. That blog is open to discussion as well.

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/05/23/rest-unleashed-narrative-1-of-3/#comment-13992 Sat, 24 May 2014 14:20:46 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=7950#comment-13992 Ben, those remarks by Vanier are spot-on.

The main reason why I am no longer able to attend conferences and staff events is the continued, stubborn refusal by leaders to get real and address the serious problems that we have raised, problems that have been around for decades and have never been acknowledged. This continued refusal year after year to acknowledge what we are saying has made it impossible to remain in fellowship with them. Their mantra has been, “These things should be discussed only in private, not on a public website” is a complete load of crap, because they have NEVER been willing to actually discuss these things, even in private staff meetings. At the last senior staff meeting that I attended more than a year ago, several of us (Ben, Sharon, and one or two others) brought these things up, and with few exceptions, everyone else in the room remained silent. They humored us and let us talk for an hour or two and them moved on to planning the next conference. I can no longer live in a such a strange pseudocommunity.

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By: BK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/05/23/rest-unleashed-narrative-1-of-3/#comment-13991 Sat, 24 May 2014 14:18:09 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=7950#comment-13991 Well Joe, that’s because we repented and started doing Daily Bread and prayed 10,000 times prayers for double ministry. Oh wait, sorry bad flashback…

Seriously though, the number of human readers is somewhat difficult to get exact numbers on. We can tell how many non-spam computing devices have connected to ubfriends.org to view a page, and how long the readers stayed, and where they are from.

I’ll take a look at Google Analytics later today to see what the stats show from 1 year ago to now.

No matter how we look at the numbers one reality is clear: People are talking about ubfriends, talking with ubfriends and talking to ubfriends.

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/05/23/rest-unleashed-narrative-1-of-3/#comment-13990 Sat, 24 May 2014 14:04:20 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=7950#comment-13990 Brian, I was going by the numbers in the automatically generated URL’s. Yes, those numbers do include the spam comments.

Excluding all the spam, the cumulative number of comments on this website has essentially *doubled* over the last year. I don’t know what has happened to the number of readers, but I think it’s safe to say that has significantly increased as well.

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/05/23/rest-unleashed-narrative-1-of-3/#comment-13989 Sat, 24 May 2014 12:49:46 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=7950#comment-13989 “When we choose to cut out whole parts of our memories and lives, we’re going to lose a whole chunk of who we are…” – See more at: http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/05/23/rest-unleashed-narrative-1-of-3/#comment-13988

I will be accused of making a broad sweeping generalization, but for 50 years UBF has chosen to only express “positive, encouraging works of God” (which are often exaggerated and inaccurate accounts of what happened), and never speaking of “negative, discouraging mistakes and sins.” This is triumphalistic and quite unrelatable to the reality of life.

We say we must build people up. I agree. But no one is truly built up by ignoring and refusing to listen to parts of the past that we do not like. This creates an unsafe place (the church) where people must behave and follow protocol.

This creates what Jean Vanier calls a pseudo-community: http://westloop-church.blogspot.com/2014/05/a-pseudo-community-avoids-messes.html

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By: BK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/05/23/rest-unleashed-narrative-1-of-3/#comment-13988 Sat, 24 May 2014 12:37:16 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=7950#comment-13988 And for me, my purpose remains exactly the same as in 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014 and for many decades to come, Lord willing:

“My purpose here is varied. But my purpose in writing articles here have never been to get anyone to agree with me. Nor is my purpose to convince anyone to leave or stay in UBF ministry. My purpose is to spark conversation about topics that have traditionally been taboo in UBF circles and to be a resource for any former member or outside party who has questions about UBF. Primarily however, my purpose is for myself– to document my story of recovery from UBF without losing my faith.”

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By: BK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/05/23/rest-unleashed-narrative-1-of-3/#comment-13987 Sat, 24 May 2014 12:35:38 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=7950#comment-13987 Joe, our dashboard is showing 13,904 actual human comments right now. So we may hit 14,000 today :) Perhaps the 20,000 number is counting spam.

Still your point is valid. I was told nobody wants to read or discuss what I have to say several times back in 2012.

If we are so bad and nobody wants to listen to us, why are the top cities from main ubf centers? And why is South Korea always in our top 10 list of countries in the readership stats?

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/05/23/rest-unleashed-narrative-1-of-3/#comment-13986 Sat, 24 May 2014 12:09:12 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=7950#comment-13986 Despite the dissatisfaction with this website that has been expressed lately (for example, in DavidW’s recent article), UBFriends is meeting some real needs of real people. This website isn’t going away anytime soon.

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/05/23/rest-unleashed-narrative-1-of-3/#comment-13985 Sat, 24 May 2014 12:00:03 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=7950#comment-13985 An interesting fact for readers of UBFriends.

One year ago, we had accumulated about 8,000 comments on this website.

Today we will exceed 20,000.

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By: BK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/05/23/rest-unleashed-narrative-1-of-3/#comment-13983 Sat, 24 May 2014 11:53:26 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=7950#comment-13983 Thanks Joe. That article invokes so much emotion that I have no words, other than yes much of that is exactly the journey I’m on.

Often I can only find expression in song. When I think of forgiving and reconciling with ubf leaders, I often return to Kelly Clarkson, Because of you and stronger.

Katy Perry has spoken the words of my soul as well, as in part of me.

Pink has also been a big part of my journey, as in try.

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/05/23/rest-unleashed-narrative-1-of-3/#comment-13982 Sat, 24 May 2014 11:39:14 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=7950#comment-13982 Brian, thanks for doing this. Forgiveness and reconciliation are difficult topics and, to be frank, a lot of what I have seen written about them is not very helpful. I appreciate the way that you ask lots of questions without immediately jumping to certain “correct” answers. In my experience, people who jump to answers (especially pastors) do so because they have wrestled with the issues only superficially or not at all.

Here’s a decent article on forgiveness that I ran across today. Simple, not earth shattering, but maybe it will help. A quote from the article:

“But the Scriptures are full of God’s admonitions to confess our sins, to him and to one another, and to “remember.” We can’t turn and heal from sin unless we acknowledge what actually happened. We can’t move toward the right without acknowledging the wrong. In the OT, God details the Israelites sins with shocking, graphic detail.

When we choose to cut out whole parts of our memories and lives, we’re going to lose a whole chunk of who we are, and we’re going to lose out on reclaiming those dark rooms. And, we know as well that erasure of pain and trauma from our memories often signals mental illness rather than health.”

Those words about mental illness are harsh but true. There is no way for UBF members to become healthy and whole without openly acknowledging and talking about the trauma that they have experienced. There is no way for the community to begin to heal until the things that lie buried are brought to the surface. Until they do this — and yes, this is harsh, but I believe it is accurate — until longtime UBF members acknowledge what actually happened to them, their meetings and conferences will continue to resemble gatherings of the psychologically ill more than gatherings of the redeemed.

One year ago, when I posted this article and this followup article, some UBF members contacted me privately to tell me that I had done something wrong by airing UBF’s dirty laundry. They said I had misapplied the instructions of Jesus in Matthew 18, and so on. But I believed that I was doing the right thing, and I still believe that it was right to do so.

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