Comments on: Dangerous Idols and Treasures of Church Leaders http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/09/19/dangerous-idols-and-treasures-for-church-leaders/ for friends of University Bible Fellowship Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:34:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/09/19/dangerous-idols-and-treasures-for-church-leaders/#comment-11074 Sat, 28 Sep 2013 14:10:17 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6976#comment-11074 UBFers, such as myself, thought that we “absolutely” obeyed Mt 28:19 and Jn 21:15-17 to “make disciples” and “feed sheep”—better than all other churches in the whole wide world!

]]> By: Mark Mederich http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/09/19/dangerous-idols-and-treasures-for-church-leaders/#comment-11067 Sat, 28 Sep 2013 13:34:42 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6976#comment-11067 the Christmas children’s cartoon classic: Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer has ‘Silver & Gold’ sung by Burl Ives: isn’t values the real problem?
Jesus said: only 2 loves, God or $

Christian’s corrupted by world tell lie from pit of hell: ‘it’s ok to have $ if use for God’; then they accumulate secret Swiss bank accts of collected $ rather than dispensing it to those in true need;

Acts: deacons like Stephen dispensed bread to widows in true need; ‘rich’ like Barnabas who had land to spare sold it & shared

many love to tout the bible, but does anyone love to actually do what it says?

]]> By: Brian Karcher http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/09/19/dangerous-idols-and-treasures-for-church-leaders/#comment-11004 Sun, 22 Sep 2013 15:58:15 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6976#comment-11004 Mark,

“saw parts of tom cruise movie (in spanish:) about trying to assassinate hitler…”

Valkyrie was an excellent movie. Part of my journey of recovery included watching numerous Nazi movies, including “Amen”, “Downfall” and “Good”. That was what I call my “rebuilding conscience” phase of my journey. I’m over that phase now, but it is fascinating to see others hit that phase too. I think it means recovery is possible.

]]> By: Mark Mederich http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/09/19/dangerous-idols-and-treasures-for-church-leaders/#comment-11003 Sun, 22 Sep 2013 15:46:52 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6976#comment-11003 idols & treasures sounds like ‘sex,lies,videotape’:)
idol: honor
treasure: $
saw parts of tom cruise movie (in spanish:) about trying to assassinate hitler
(15th such attempt it said at end of movie); they failed, but guess what?
they were shot (died heroicly trying) but before long the war ended & hitler suicided (or is he really still alive in u.s. underground bunker colorado?:)
point: ultratransgressors can run but not hide…hitler was too chicken to face his adversaries directly when his chips went down (we are all transgressors but not all are ultratransgressors);
correlated point: 15 reform movements may fail (though those who try go down in history heroically) but when THE TIME comes, the war will end: ultratransgressors will end in defeat (surrender, whatever);
trust me, tender talk on these matters is abused to the hilt by honorous unrepentant, but tough talk might break thru someday (if so, they will thank for rescuing them from such honor demon)
i trust my kids much more than honorific (horrific) religious demon-controlled/mind-deceived twisted-theology panders:) panders must be set free from devil by Holy Spirit who Alone can help them..HALLELUJAH!

]]> By: Mark Mederich http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/09/19/dangerous-idols-and-treasures-for-church-leaders/#comment-10973 Sat, 21 Sep 2013 13:34:21 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6976#comment-10973 the only real treasure is relationships but those are destroyed by powermonging, manipulation, works drivenness, ultracompetitiveness, overhonor, faith fantasies, emotional bondages, etc

but thanks be to God, the Holy Spirit can rescue us & He can restore good fruit

]]> By: Mark Mederich http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/09/19/dangerous-idols-and-treasures-for-church-leaders/#comment-10971 Sat, 21 Sep 2013 13:23:28 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6976#comment-10971 may God elevate Himself Alone & pull the rest of us up by our bootstraps..

]]> By: Mark Mederich http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/09/19/dangerous-idols-and-treasures-for-church-leaders/#comment-10967 Thu, 19 Sep 2013 16:43:54 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6976#comment-10967 it is a horror that believer leaders/believers waste time with honor,
evenmoreso training others so (children, students, lifestyles, etc are damaged); unfortunately religion now bears the cost of burst honor bubble..

when people are taught to think too much of themselves, they end up too dependent on system support or too in debt getting good things in world to live better..

now honor must be rescinded from all & debts must be paid as of first importance

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