Comments on: My Journey of Recovery http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/08/15/my-journey-of-recovery/ for friends of University Bible Fellowship Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:34:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/08/15/my-journey-of-recovery/#comment-18727 Mon, 29 Jun 2015 12:26:22 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6729#comment-18727 cm,

Your list is rather good, and matches what dozens of us saw in Toledo UBF. In regard to your question, “why couldn’t I see?”, I have some thoughts.

I think this depends on how a person is introduced to ubf. For me, I was introduced to ubf by one person on campus one sunny afternoon while I was dealing with my father’s ALS illness. ubf appeared to me as a nice little family who cares only about Bible study.

But the dark side of ubf was kept hidden. It was only due to the grace of God that I got to see things not meant for me to be seen. And it was the Holy Spirit who finally opened my eyes. And furthermore it was my own connecting the dots that woke me up and led me to decide to leave this Bible cult.

It is indeed so hard to see because the ruse maintained at ubf is so crafty. The layers of burden are many and such burden is very difficult to navigate.

This all becomes much more clear when you have all the facts. That was the main thing keeping the KOPAHN ruse going at ubf–not many had all the facts. Now we can all connect with each other instantly and globally. We can now put the pieces of the puzzle together.

I will be doing some of that in an upcoming article where I respond to the recent CT article reviewing the “Spirit moves west” apologetic book.

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By: cmdiaz http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/08/15/my-journey-of-recovery/#comment-18726 Mon, 29 Jun 2015 03:49:24 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6729#comment-18726 Here are some warning signs of a cult that I found in NYUBF

Preventing contact with outsiders, ex-members, and even certain fellow members of the dysfunctional cult.

Breaking up couples and families to gain power over individuals and prevent coalitions that could more effectively criticize unsound, corrupt leadership. Rigid isolating of cult members in an exclusive “family” away from their relatives and friends outside the cult so that the cult becomes the sole source for support, self-esteem and interpersonal connection. Isolating cult members from other members , even for short periods, in solitary confinement or quarantine to break them down and manipulate their views/behaviors.

Legalistic obsession with the organizations rules. Enslavement to authoritarian, military-style organization and procedure. Of course, every group needs guidelines and rules, but when the form of the religion becomes more important than authentic spiritual experience, the group is in trouble and idolatry is a danger.

Series of initiations that create intrigue and stratify group into levels with higher, elite superiors outranking inferior, lower members. Because of this I witnessed an enormous amount of abuse.

Enforcement of conformity in apparel and external behavior in order to look like everyone else speak like everyone else and eat like everyone else [if you dress a certain way, use Korean words, go to college, write your testimony every week, obey the higher-ups, attend SWS and eat Korean food] God loves you.

Confusion tactics by changing the names for members [they tried to change my identity by giving me a Korean name], this can be part of an overall unhealthy cult strategy to amplify insider/outsider dichotomies, destroy autonomy and insure compliance.

Intellectual parochialism or isolation from other worldviews; censorship or control of what people read [if it is not UBF do not read it]; prevention of studying sacred texts from other traditions or visiting other genuine churches or listening to non-UBF sermons. A healthy spiritual group is open to spiritual truth from other sources.

An obsession with school grades and Gods love – If you get an “A” you are loved by God but if you get a “C” God does not love you because you did not try hard enough.

UBF folklore a danger with dysfunctional cults is their frequent emphasis on leader worship, mythical thinking and on bizarre, unverifiable claims that can’t be consensually validated by rational persons. I heard ridiculous claims about the founder SL – he could read minds, he had the entire bible memorized, he could tell you the future, he was next to Apostle Paul in heaven etc…

Blind obedience to harmful or unwise directives from on high. Abusive, domineering top-dog leadership. “We can convince them that sexual abuse never happened…”

and much more!!!

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By: cmdiaz http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/08/15/my-journey-of-recovery/#comment-18725 Mon, 29 Jun 2015 03:27:57 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6729#comment-18725 The graphic you posted and your explanation is spot on BrianK.

However, looking back some people were more keen than I was and they were able to see through the darkness that I initially could not – may God bless them.

While I was doing my observership in the hospital – I was still “green” to the UBF cult/abuse culture. So like a good shepherd, I would try to evangelize and bring at least 1 “sheep” to Sunday per week… [many members of that cult who attended Friday meeting are witnesses] as I often shared my disappointments when a prospective bible students would stop attending and say to me… “sorry I don’t want to attend your church it seems like a cult. Something just doesn’t seem right” they would say to me.

I still can’t believe it took me this long to see the truth of that dangerous cult. A question I often struggle with is – why couldn’t I see?

I still struggle with many things these days… especially the guilt I feel over the people I introduced into that cult who stayed (even if they stayed for a short while) I also feel guilty for those who suffered through the racism, cultural ethnocentrism, the abuse… all of which I told was necessary UBF training.

I thank God for helping to escape that cult and putting me far far away from those people and that group. I also thank God for this site and the friends I have made. May God bless you all and protect you all!

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/08/15/my-journey-of-recovery/#comment-18722 Fri, 26 Jun 2015 13:42:15 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6729#comment-18722 It also takes time to recover financially. We made many stupid mistakes in the financial realm. Just this week we closed one of the long-standing ubf-related financial problems. SO GLAD to be free of this entanglement!

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/08/15/my-journey-of-recovery/#comment-18720 Fri, 26 Jun 2015 13:36:07 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6729#comment-18720 Hey everyone, since people continue to contact me about once a month for help processing their time spent living out the ubf lifestyle, I have created a hidden Facebook page for private discussions about recovering and rebuilding your life. This month 2 people contacted me.

This replaces the “subfix” website I had setup earlier. That was too much to maintain. The private Facebook page should be a better platform for such discussions.

If you are in need of help rebuilding your life after ubf, I gladly welcome your thoughts. Just contact me on any of my websites or post here and I’ll respond.

I find that even after 4 years, there can be trauma triggers, panic attacks, nightmares or other PTSD-like symptoms. It takes time and many friends to regain your sense of healthy self-esteem and to rebuild your life in a healthy way after having been entangled by KOPAHN ideology.

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By: forestsfailyou http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/08/15/my-journey-of-recovery/#comment-16175 Wed, 14 Jan 2015 04:08:08 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6729#comment-16175 In my youth I would go around changing all the CE and BCE into AD and BC on wikipedia. It kept me off the streets.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/08/15/my-journey-of-recovery/#comment-16174 Mon, 12 Jan 2015 21:06:07 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6729#comment-16174 Happy new year everyone! Of course no new year at ubf would be complete without some Wikipedia vandalization. Someone from Korea removed some parts of the ubf Wikipedia article that they didn’t like:

ubf wiki article vandalization by someone in South Korea

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By: Vitaly http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/08/15/my-journey-of-recovery/#comment-9917 Sat, 17 Aug 2013 03:47:36 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6729#comment-9917 Sound very similar! At the same I suppose the ICC group couldn’t imagine the power of Confucius that’s why ICC was like a kindergarten compared to ubf. I suppose USSR also couldn’t imagine what North Korea would look like if they add to the communist idea some of Confucius.

So ICC + Confucius = ubf
Communism + Confucius = North Korea

And so, ubf – ICC = North Korea – communism

ubf = North Korea – communism + ICC

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By: Brian Karcher http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/08/15/my-journey-of-recovery/#comment-9916 Sat, 17 Aug 2013 02:02:24 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6729#comment-9916 This series describes what former ubf members have been saying for decades:

Control-oriented Leadership:
Profile of an abusive church (part 1 of 8)

Manipulation of members:
Profile of an abusive church (part 2 of 8)

Rigid lifestyle:
Profile of an abusive church (part 3 of 8)

Frequent name changes:
Profile of an abusive church (part 4 of 8)

Denouncing other churches:
Profile of an abusive church (part 5 of 8)

Persecution complex:
Profile of an abusive church (part 6 of 8)

Targeting young adults primarily:
Profile of an abusive church (part 7 of 8)

Painful exit process:
Profile of an abusive church (part 8 of 8)

University Bible Fellowship as of 2013 scores 8 of 8 in this series.

[If you don’t think ubf changes it name often as in part 4, do you realize ubf used to be called “University Bible Research Society” in Korea before it came to North America? And did you realize how many other names ubf goes by on campuses and elsewhere?]

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By: Brian Karcher http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/08/15/my-journey-of-recovery/#comment-9915 Sat, 17 Aug 2013 01:50:12 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6729#comment-9915 Sound familiar?

Why I left

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By: Mark Mederich http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/08/15/my-journey-of-recovery/#comment-9891 Fri, 16 Aug 2013 12:56:44 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6729#comment-9891 well said

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/08/15/my-journey-of-recovery/#comment-9889 Fri, 16 Aug 2013 12:11:08 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6729#comment-9889 Thanks Brian. Yeah, ubf is complex because sin makes us complicated. But whenever there are problems, it is ALWAYS because the gospel is not deeply or meaningfully applied or understood, or that the gospel is under-applied, usually by legalisms (in UBF’s case) or liberalisms.

For ONLY the gospel of grace (Ac 20:24) has the power (Rom 1:16) to truly change and transform us from glory to glory (2 Cor 3:18). Only the gospel can truly break through and shine brightly to expose the sin of UBF or of any person or church (2 Cor 4:4-6).

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By: sheepherd1 http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/08/15/my-journey-of-recovery/#comment-9887 Fri, 16 Aug 2013 04:40:38 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6729#comment-9887 “UBF looks like a lot of work”

gc, thanks for the article. There are a lot of works in UBF that it becomes the evidence of growth and faithfulness to Jesus. When someone stops doing the works, one is called lazy and that person should repent of his\her laziness. UBFers put their works so much emphasizes that it becomes the measurement of their success in their Christian life.

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By: gc http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/08/15/my-journey-of-recovery/#comment-9886 Fri, 16 Aug 2013 03:47:47 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6729#comment-9886 I’ll say one thing, UBF looks like a lot of work. The burdening of people from the layers is indeed. Top it off with the meetings to confirm that you are where you say you are on your list of to do’s in ministry and your so-called Christian life as a UBF shepherd.

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