Comments on: Not So With You http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/05/12/not-so-with-you/ for friends of University Bible Fellowship Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:34:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 By: Mark Mederich http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/05/12/not-so-with-you/#comment-7211 Thu, 16 May 2013 03:19:37 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6122#comment-7211 seems to mean are you with us or against us? people start with desire to do good but progress is slow so fantasy world can develop of victorious living: big prayer topics & big goals; but then we have to imagine we’re reaching them or get mad that we can’t. better to live humbly & let God be great when he chooses

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/05/12/not-so-with-you/#comment-7196 Wed, 15 May 2013 13:10:48 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6122#comment-7196 @MarthaO, @Brian, “Are you in (UBF) or are you out (of UBF)” is perhaps the most elitist, exclusive and useless way of looking at anything. Until any organization stops thinking this way, it is working itself into extinction and irrelevance.

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By: Brian Karcher http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/05/12/not-so-with-you/#comment-7185 Wed, 15 May 2013 01:40:34 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6122#comment-7185 What interests me is how that passage mentions “this turn of events was from the Lord” (1 Kings 12:15)

One of the “not so with you” mindsets I’m learning is not to consider all negative things as being from Satan. It is quite possible that certain events that seem so negative could in fact be from the Lord. My mindset should be to follow Christ as my Lord, seeking to discern His will day by day.

The 2015 GD election (can we even call it an election?) will be telling. It is likely that the new GD will either be a hardcore hardliner, or a Francis-figure. I don’t see how ubf can play the middle of the road any longer. Perhaps there is a Francis for ubf? (and Gerardo rejoices in my newfound favor with the RCC!)

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By: Brian Karcher http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/05/12/not-so-with-you/#comment-7184 Wed, 15 May 2013 01:32:07 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6122#comment-7184 Indeed, Christianity really has little to do with being “in” or “out”, but has everything to do with love and friendship. We are so thankful for your friendship! The more bridges between members and former members the more we may all realize we are One Body.

I am convinced the question isn’t “to stay or not to stay” but “am I following the prompting of God through His Holy Spirit to do what He wants and to allow Him to build His house in His way?”

Yes I love Pope Francis. Such a breathe of fresh air! But last year, who would have ever guessed we would witness such a thing? It may be difficult to believe or to see, but I have never written off ubf. Indeed, ubf as we knew must end, and in fact is ending, but that is only so that some new movement may arise.

I long for the day when my list of redeemed chapters is longer than 3.

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By: MarthaO http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/05/12/not-so-with-you/#comment-7183 Wed, 15 May 2013 00:43:41 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6122#comment-7183 Brian,

I love Pope Francis, I can see Christ through him, a love for God and a love for humanity. Love flows through him, isn’t this what Christianity is all about?

I haven’t left UBF, but my heart is also changing a lot as I rediscover my identity before God. Its not that easy to do in the midst…

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By: Brian Karcher http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/05/12/not-so-with-you/#comment-7182 Wed, 15 May 2013 00:07:00 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6122#comment-7182 Thanks for mentioning Matthew 23, Chris. That entire chapter needs much exposition and application in the ubf context. Instead of skipping that chapter or applying it to “nominal Christians” or looking for self-justification, ubf people need to examine themselves in the mirror of Matthew 23.

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By: Brian Karcher http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/05/12/not-so-with-you/#comment-7181 Wed, 15 May 2013 00:03:28 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6122#comment-7181 That’s awesome joshua.

This is how I felt as I struggled with the leaving process:

The part of me that you’re never ever gonna take away from me

This is the response I almost always got during the process:

The sound of silence

Even though it was a crazy ride, I learned something about:

How to love and not to hate

I now often feel like this:

I play on the safe side

Now I just stand:

With arms high…

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By: joshua http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/05/12/not-so-with-you/#comment-7157 Mon, 13 May 2013 00:21:48 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6122#comment-7157 This post makes me think about the ways I’ve changed since leaving UBF. I’m not who I was. This song really expresses my heart:

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By: Chris http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/05/12/not-so-with-you/#comment-7147 Sun, 12 May 2013 15:14:17 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6122#comment-7147 By the way, the exact wording is from Mark 10, which is very similar:

Jesus called them together and said, “You know that those who are regarded as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be slave of all. For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

This is a core passage of the gospels. Matthew 23 also repeats this message. And John 13:1-20 gives a good example. When pope Francis washed the feet of prisoners as one of the first things shows that he has understood this principle. But in UBF, it was always like “yes, we pretend to be servants, but in reality we only serve you in order to eventually subdue you and make you believe that you owe us everything and take your scalp as a proof of our spiritual fruit.”

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/05/12/not-so-with-you/#comment-7146 Sun, 12 May 2013 14:54:01 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6122#comment-7146 Brian, It is interesting that you mentioned Rehoboam. I have thought for the longest time that UBF has unfortunately adopted the unwise advice of Rehoboam’s young punks to enforce more strongly UBF’s core values, rather than listen to the wise advisors of the older counselors (1 Ki 12:6-7).

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By: Brian Karcher http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/05/12/not-so-with-you/#comment-7144 Sun, 12 May 2013 13:40:55 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6122#comment-7144 Yes, Ben, Pope Francis is refreshing. He is a good example for ubf. The ubf system does not work with “consensus”; it needs a pope, a good pope.

Trying to run ubf with consensus is like trying to pound square pegs into little round holes. The next GD in 2015 will either be a pope figure like Francis who takes charge and brings reform or be like Rehoboam and slam down a heavy yoke to preserve ubf heritage (1 Kings 12:10).

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/05/12/not-so-with-you/#comment-7143 Sun, 12 May 2013 13:29:45 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6122#comment-7143 Pope Francis is humbly refreshing because he truly genuinely acts like “one of the guys.” He has no airs about himself, as though he is some kind of a “great servant of God,” whom others should kow tow to. Not that he will ever want to, but I would love to go to my first NBA game with him when Drose returns.

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