Comments on: Jamie Oliver and Evangelism http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/07/11/jamie-oliver-and-evangelism/ for friends of University Bible Fellowship Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:34:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 By: Dr. Bill http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/07/11/jamie-oliver-and-evangelism/#comment-187 Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:41:40 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=436#comment-187 “Just what the doctor ordered” is an (American?) English idiom… it just means “exactly what’s needed.” :)

p.s. one dish of stir-fry coming right up! :)

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By: John http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/07/11/jamie-oliver-and-evangelism/#comment-186 Thu, 15 Jul 2010 04:22:01 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=436#comment-186 Speaking of Doctors and Chefs, I highly recommend the Korean TV Drama Series Dae Jang Geum, a historical Korean drama about a woman who becomes both a top chef and top doctor to the King. The series is rife with Christian metaphors about everything from virtue, to repentance, to winsome evangelism. It also has great cooking scenes. I’ve passed these DVD series around the medical school faculty at my university and they’ve all become addicted. It’s unfortunate I’ve become a “drug-dealer” rather than an evangelist.

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By: Ben Westerhoff http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/07/11/jamie-oliver-and-evangelism/#comment-185 Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:23:42 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=436#comment-185 :)

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By: Ben Westerhoff http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/07/11/jamie-oliver-and-evangelism/#comment-184 Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:56:38 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=436#comment-184 OK Henoch and admin,

Since you mentioned the Doctor, I have a friend who’s a board member of the MLJ Trust. I’m going to ask him to submit a piece about Lloyd-Jones.

Ben

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By: admin http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/07/11/jamie-oliver-and-evangelism/#comment-183 Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:48:14 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=436#comment-183 This is Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones. I would like to order that dish of stir-fried noodles for my lunch today, please.

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By: henoch http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/07/11/jamie-oliver-and-evangelism/#comment-182 Tue, 13 Jul 2010 13:25:49 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=436#comment-182 Thank you Dr. Bill for your comment. when you said “doctor”, did you mean Martin Lloyd-Jones? i really love John Piper and i will listen to his sermon as soon as i get a chance to. I agree with you that biblical outreach ministry cannot be done without the work and the power of the Holy Spirit.

Ben, i absolutely agree. He must have an excellent sense for where the culture is going. I was mostly inspired by how well he became a part of the community, which he tried to change. And i also love his recipes. :) His Chicken Ceasar Salad was a “revelation”!

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By: David http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/07/11/jamie-oliver-and-evangelism/#comment-181 Tue, 13 Jul 2010 13:03:54 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=436#comment-181 Henoch, thanks for encouragement. I will share our experience with more details when we will find some pretty clear form for it, if God will let. Want to mention that in Kiev ministry some success gained English club ministry and sport ministry. For English club students are coming just to improve their English level, but some of them starting to study the Bible then. For sport – we had a soccer team in Kiev UBF, where unbelievers were involved. We organized soccer competition and pin-pong competition with the awarding in church, so the young people could connect with us. It was good practice in Kiev UBF and if they will continue this projects, I think it could be fruitful.

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By: Dr. Bill http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/07/11/jamie-oliver-and-evangelism/#comment-180 Mon, 12 Jul 2010 20:47:31 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=436#comment-180 :)

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By: Ben Westerhoff http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/07/11/jamie-oliver-and-evangelism/#comment-179 Mon, 12 Jul 2010 17:38:35 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=436#comment-179 Henoch,

Thanks for this creative piece. In that spirit, we do need to be as innovative and creative in our evangelism as Jamie Oliver is in his. I get the sense that he has his finger on the pulse of the culture by talking to different people and really listening to them. We should all know the cultural context in which we are ministering so well! I try (most of the time fall short) to listen so well that I can articulate someone’s point of view back to them better than they can articulate it themselves.

By the way, I use Jamie’s books to cook all the time–simple and delicious recipes.

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By: Dr. Bill http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/07/11/jamie-oliver-and-evangelism/#comment-178 Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:34:28 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=436#comment-178 What a great article Henoch! Really inspires us to be creative in our outreach – just what the doctor ordered. I also want to point out that the early church had a method for outreach that was also incredibly creative and powerful – it is recorded in Acts chapter 4 in the following prayer:

“Now, Lord, consider their threats and enable your servants to speak your word with great boldness. Stretch out your hand to heal and perform miraculous signs and wonders through the name of your holy servant Jesus.”

The disciples _prayed for Jesus to enable them to speak with great boldness and for Jesus to work miracles – signs and wonders – in their midst_. This is surely one of the most effective ways to demonstrate the power and truth of the Gospel.

It reminds me of a very good message – a message so on target that all I could say was “Amen!” a dozen times while hearing it yesterday: http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Sermons/ByScripture/8/1844_You_Shall_Receive_PowerFor_Mission/ by John Piper, You Will Receive Power. I think John Piper’s message is totally relevant to us, to UBF, to the American Church in general.

At Lehigh UBF, we are praying this prayer – the same prayer the apostles prayed in Acts 4 above – and God is answering – He has answered through right-on-target messages like You Will Receive Power, He is answering by emboldening us to “Preach the Word _regardless of the consequences”, and He has answered by working truly miraculous healings in our midst.

Praise Jesus, Father, Son and Holy Spirit!!! :)

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By: henoch http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/07/11/jamie-oliver-and-evangelism/#comment-177 Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:07:31 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=436#comment-177 Thanks to all of you for your comments!

Wes, that would be a good idea. as for community, the only bible verse that spontaneously came into my mind is Jeremiah 29:7. In my opinion, much on community practices are taught implicitly in the bible and not explicitly. So i think it would absolutely be worth it to study the story of the Patriarchs for instance from that point of view: how did their lives impact their community? How were they part of it and in what way weren’t they? How did they bless their community?
Having a winsome character is clearly taught through the life of Jesus who had the most winsome character ever displayed. and i think it’s also evident that Jesus himself applied various teaching methods. So again, it’s difficult to name a single bible verse that would sum it up nicely because i think that much is taught implicitly. Same goes for creativity in doing outreach ministry. Do you have any suggestions?

David, i think it’s a very good point. i have to say that i was hardly successful when i went “fishing”. In fact, only one of maybe a thousand people ever came (and i am not exaggerating here). To be fair, i have to say that some people are much more gifted in that area as i have noticed. In my case, most of the bible students i was allowed to serve were friends of mine whom i had met at school. i know how difficult it is to reach out to students if you are not part of that community (i.e. being a student yourself). i think that’s one good reason why it is worth to think about new outreach methods.
Your cafe sounds like an excellent idea. i would love to hear more about that.

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By: David http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/07/11/jamie-oliver-and-evangelism/#comment-176 Mon, 12 Jul 2010 10:52:03 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=436#comment-176 Thank you Henoch for posting this. This is a really important topic for our ministries. I think that doing the things we are used to, very often are is not faithfulness to our roots, but it is lazyness and fear to trying something new, looking for creative methods. I believe that this is real pioneering – do not to complain why people don’t want to come to us but to pray and don’t be afraid of trying something new and creative. Could those of us who have creative experience or ideas of evangelism share them here? So we could discuss.
We here in Kharkiv, Ukraine, are strugling now for establishing something like Bible cafe on the base of one of existent cafes in the campus. We trying to invite students for Bible study not in church, but in cafe. The gould is to establish some in-cafe Bible study group. I heard that in US in some chapters such practice is pretty successful.

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By: Abraham http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/07/11/jamie-oliver-and-evangelism/#comment-175 Mon, 12 Jul 2010 05:15:15 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=436#comment-175 Thanks Henoch for posting this interesting and insightful article.

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By: Sara http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/07/11/jamie-oliver-and-evangelism/#comment-174 Mon, 12 Jul 2010 01:01:15 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=436#comment-174 That is a good show! I’ve only watched the first couple of episodes, but I admire Jamie’s dogged persistence. Another comparison with evangelism: Jamie’s “disciples'” testimonies were used to convince the people. Nothing moved Rod, but the kids’ stories did.

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By: Wes http://www.ubfriends.org/2010/07/11/jamie-oliver-and-evangelism/#comment-173 Mon, 12 Jul 2010 00:59:00 +0000 http://ubfriends.org/?p=436#comment-173 This is great. You could also include some Bible verses that agree with these points.

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